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Add and option to change variables' belonging

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  • CreatiCodeI CreatiCode

    @011830-0a42ef84

    Are you referring to this tool on Turbowarp? It allows you to use another variable to replace the selected variable in the current sprite only.

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    @info-creaticode Not quite. I mean where you right click ang get an option “switch to for this sprite only”

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    • Mod. Squad TrainerM Mod. Squad Trainer

      @info-creaticode Not quite. I mean where you right click ang get an option “switch to for this sprite only”

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      @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56

      as @Tyller_ pointed out, when you request to change a variable’s scope from shared to “this sprite only”, it is not clear what to do with blocks using this variable in other sprites. Some user might want to delete those blocks, some may want to keep them but using a separate shared variable.

      It is much cleaner to do it in a 2-step approach:

      1. create a new variable for this sprite only
      2. swap the existing variable to use this new variable (this is the dialog box from Turbowarp that I showed above)

      Would you agree?

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      • CreatiCodeI CreatiCode

        @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56

        as @Tyller_ pointed out, when you request to change a variable’s scope from shared to “this sprite only”, it is not clear what to do with blocks using this variable in other sprites. Some user might want to delete those blocks, some may want to keep them but using a separate shared variable.

        It is much cleaner to do it in a 2-step approach:

        1. create a new variable for this sprite only
        2. swap the existing variable to use this new variable (this is the dialog box from Turbowarp that I showed above)

        Would you agree?

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        wrote on last edited by mod.squadacademy
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        @info-creaticode No, I don’t entirely agree. There’s a video by griffpatch called The Variable Hack which goes into detail on this subject.

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        • Mod. Squad TrainerM Mod. Squad Trainer

          @info-creaticode No, I don’t entirely agree. There’s a video by griffpatch called The Variable Hack which goes into detail on this subject.

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          wrote on last edited by info-creaticode
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          @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 said in Add and option to change variables' belonging:

          griffpatch called The Variable Hack

          That video is suggesting exactly what I’m suggesting: create a new variable for this sprite itself and then use it to swap out the old shared variable. So which part you are not agreeing?

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          • CreatiCodeI CreatiCode

            @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 said in Add and option to change variables' belonging:

            griffpatch called The Variable Hack

            That video is suggesting exactly what I’m suggesting: create a new variable for this sprite itself and then use it to swap out the old shared variable. So which part you are not agreeing?

            c0120b92-8c98-47c9-b5c9-b68c6915b533-image.png

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            wrote on last edited by mod.squadacademy
            #18

            @info-creaticode That is still a handy feature. I personally am not against the feature entirely. I’m just also a fan of the convert to feature (as also mentioned in the video).
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            As for what to do with the blocks in other sprites for the same variable, messages like this appear if you try to convert a variable with blocks in other sprites:
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            What I don’t agree on is that the method of switching variables replaces the method of converting variables. Personally, I think both methods are worth including. Both have their uses. Even better is to add a third way to change this:
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            • Mod. Squad TrainerM Mod. Squad Trainer

              @info-creaticode That is still a handy feature. I personally am not against the feature entirely. I’m just also a fan of the convert to feature (as also mentioned in the video).
              f926e1a7-e064-49c6-a6c8-0e0142a325c6-image.png
              As for what to do with the blocks in other sprites for the same variable, messages like this appear if you try to convert a variable with blocks in other sprites:
              593d2b5e-e55d-4b17-9f8d-b0ce0c38ce96-image.png
              What I don’t agree on is that the method of switching variables replaces the method of converting variables. Personally, I think both methods are worth including. Both have their uses. Even better is to add a third way to change this:
              873a9792-9a06-4b9b-828a-d33b5439d102-image.png

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              @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56

              Thank you for clarifying. We will be supporting add-ons (Scratch version or Turbowarp version), so this feature will be supported when that happens.

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              • CreatiCodeI CreatiCode

                @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56

                Thank you for clarifying. We will be supporting add-ons (Scratch version or Turbowarp version), so this feature will be supported when that happens.

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                @info-creaticode I’ve written a Turbowarp extension a while ago, all it does though is just give “pi” as a variable block for 3.14… From what you’re saying, would that hypothetically work with CreatiCode?

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                • JaecadeJnightJ JaecadeJnight

                  @info-creaticode I’ve written a Turbowarp extension a while ago, all it does though is just give “pi” as a variable block for 3.14… From what you’re saying, would that hypothetically work with CreatiCode?

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                  @jeffreyrb03-gmail

                  We are still doing research on that.

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                  • CreatiCodeI CreatiCode

                    @jeffreyrb03-gmail

                    We are still doing research on that.

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                    @info-creaticode Got it. My extension is at https://github.com/Jeffreymaniac/Turbowarp-Extensions and it’s pretty simple. I’m not sure if it still works though because I made it in like 2021

                    #LLJW
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                    • JaecadeJnightJ JaecadeJnight

                      @info-creaticode Got it. My extension is at https://github.com/Jeffreymaniac/Turbowarp-Extensions and it’s pretty simple. I’m not sure if it still works though because I made it in like 2021

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                      @jeffreyrb03-gmail Your extension seems to still work. Do you often make Turbowarp extensions, or just had a go at it once or twice?

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                      • Mod. Squad TrainerM Mod. Squad Trainer

                        @jeffreyrb03-gmail Your extension seems to still work. Do you often make Turbowarp extensions, or just had a go at it once or twice?

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                        @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 I havent made one since 2022. I just know JavaScript and its different forms by studying them, like for scratch extensions and nodeJS

                        #LLJW
                        <span style="color:white;background-image:linear-gradient(to right, lightblue, navy)">My name is Jeff</span>

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                        • JaecadeJnightJ JaecadeJnight

                          @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 I havent made one since 2022. I just know JavaScript and its different forms by studying them, like for scratch extensions and nodeJS

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                          @jeffreyrb03-gmail Okay, cool. Well, if you ever make more, please let us know!

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                            @jeffreyrb03-gmail Okay, cool. Well, if you ever make more, please let us know!

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                            @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 Sure, also, I don’t plan on making any as I don’t use turbowarp anymore, but if you want I can make an extension for you. Just tell me what blocks you want and what functionality you want and I can probably get it done.

                            #LLJW
                            <span style="color:white;background-image:linear-gradient(to right, lightblue, navy)">My name is Jeff</span>

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                            • JaecadeJnightJ JaecadeJnight

                              @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 Sure, also, I don’t plan on making any as I don’t use turbowarp anymore, but if you want I can make an extension for you. Just tell me what blocks you want and what functionality you want and I can probably get it done.

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                              @jeffreyrb03-gmail We’ll let you know if we think of something. We teach kids how to use not only Scratch, but advanced Scratch Techniques and Mods of Scratch, such as Turbowarp, Gandi IDE, Penguinmod…etc.
                              On our website is a list of mods (CreatiCode isn’t on there yet. We may add it at some point). and their respective extension galleries. We get excited when we find a new orignial Scratch mod, extension, or extension gallery - hence why we asked.

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                              • Mod. Squad TrainerM Mod. Squad Trainer

                                @jeffreyrb03-gmail We’ll let you know if we think of something. We teach kids how to use not only Scratch, but advanced Scratch Techniques and Mods of Scratch, such as Turbowarp, Gandi IDE, Penguinmod…etc.
                                On our website is a list of mods (CreatiCode isn’t on there yet. We may add it at some point). and their respective extension galleries. We get excited when we find a new orignial Scratch mod, extension, or extension gallery - hence why we asked.

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                                @mod-squadacademy-1bc96c56 Ok! I appreciate the offer and I’m gonna start making turbowarp mods again.

                                #LLJW
                                <span style="color:white;background-image:linear-gradient(to right, lightblue, navy)">My name is Jeff</span>

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